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Last time, the attack was led by the hon. Member for Cannock Chase (Mr Burley) in this Chamber. I had thought he might be detained elsewhere. I have to say to the hon. Member for Hereford and South Herefordshire (Jesse Norman) that I am surprised to hear him attempt to bring in this Bill. He is gaining a growing reputation for hard work and intelligent comment, but his speech was a cheap-shot speech based on ignorance, ideology and inaccurate briefings from the TaxPayers Alliance. He talks about trade union accounts and public service, but the Bill is a broadside against trade union organising in both the public and the private sectors. It is a personal attack on around 200,000 people who are ready to help their colleagues by giving advice, by supporting them at grievances and discplinaries and by negotiating with managers.
That is difficult and demanding work, but many of those representatives are also ready to take on extra, special responsibilities for improving health and safety, equality, training and environmental standards.
The Bill is a personal attack on people such as Kevin Maggs, a GMB learning representative at A & P ship repairers in Cornwall. He organised open learning days for his colleagues at work and encouraged them on to courses. He says that some of them have been able to gain qualifications for a job they have done for years, whereas others have been able to understand their pay slip for the first time because of their improved literacy and numeracy. The hon. Member for Hereford and South Herefordshire might not be able to understand that, but Ministers do. Let me quote the Minister for Further Education, Skills and Lifelong Learning, who said last year:
“I want to pay tribute to union learning reps, who have made so much difference to so many lives, and to such effect. Trade unions can play an invaluable and immeasurable role in improving skills in the workplace.”
That is why the Government are rightly investing £33 million to support union learning. It is part of the £110 million condemned by the TaxPayers Alliance.
Many trade union reps rightly receive paid time off from their other work to carry out those duties. Many also devote much of their own time to that work. A recent Government survey showed that reps in the public sector contribute up to 100,000 unpaid hours each week to carry out their duties. Our union reps are the unsung heroes of the long, proud British tradition of volunteering. They are the workplace wing of the Prime Minister’s big society. There should be receptions in Downing street to pay tribute to their work. They support their colleagues and they save employers and the Exchequer millions of pounds each year by reducing the number of employment tribunals and days lost through illness and injury. By improving productivity and training, they help organisations to get through periods of great pressure and great change. I looked at the new year’s honours list this year and saw there were hundreds of civil servants, charity workers and business people on it—especially civil servants—but I found only one person, Mr Charles James from Leeds, who was honoured for the service he has given to his union and to his community. We should see many more ordinary workplace reps being honoured in future like Mr James.
I think that the House will have recognised that the hon. Gentleman did not quote one single employer. Employers are not calling for this attack; it does not even feature on the CBI’s 11-point checklist of curbs it wants to see on trade unions. Many of our biggest and best British companies work with trade unions and recognise them—Rolls-Royce, Tesco, Virgin Media, Odeon cinemas, the HSBC bank and Jaguar Land Rover. Those names are known worldwide and those companies know the benefit of working with trade unions and know the benefit of trade union representation.
If we accept that employers as well as employees benefit from union representation, it is entirely right to expect employers to make a contribution towards the cost. That is why the hon. Gentleman’s Bill is wrong. Let me say one final thing to him and his colleagues. Many trade unionists voted Conservative at the last
general election—too many—and some even voted Lib Dem. They do not deserve this and the Bill does not deserve support from any part of this House.
Question put (Standing Order No. 23).
The House divided:
Ayes 132, Noes 211 Division No. 419]
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AYES
Afriyie, Adam Aldous, Peter Amess, Mr David Andrew, Stuart
Bacon, Mr Richard Baker, Steve Baldwin, Harriett Baron, Mr John
Binley, Mr Brian Blackman, Bob Bradley, Karen Brine, Steve Bruce, Fiona Burley, Mr Aidan ( BYLES DAN NORTH WARWICKSHIRE )
Campbell, Mr Gregory Carswell, Mr Douglas Chishti, Rehman
Clifton-Brown, Geoffrey Coffey, Dr Thérèse Colvile, Oliver
Crockart, Mike Davies, David T. C. (Monmouth)
Davies, Philip Dinenage, Caroline Dodds, rh Mr Nigel
Donaldson, rh Mr Jeffrey M. Dorrell, rh Mr Stephen Drax, Richard
Ellis, Michael Elphicke, Charlie Eustice, George Evans, Jonathan
Field, Mark Fox, rh Dr Liam Freer, Miken Fullbrook, Lorraine
Gale, Sir Roger Garnier, Mark Gilbert, Stephen Glen, John Goldsmith, Zac Gray, Mr James Griffiths, Andrew Gummer, Ben
Gyimah, Mr Sam Harris, Rebecca Hart, Simon Heaton-Harris, Chris Henderson, Gordon Hinds, Damian Hollingbery, George Hollobone, Mr Philip Holloway, Mr Adam Jackson, Mr Stewart Jenkin, Mr Bernard Johnson, Gareth (JONES MR MARCUS NUNEATON )
Kirby, Simon Knight, rh Mr Greg Kwarteng, Kwasi Latham, Pauline
Leadsom, Andrea Lee, Dr Phillip Leigh, Mr Edward Lewis, Brandon Lewis, Dr Julian Lilley, rh Mr Peter Lopresti, Jack Lord, Jonathan Lumley, Karen Main, Mrs Anne Maynard, Paul McCartney, Jason McCartney, Karl McCrea, Dr William McIntosh, Miss Anne McPartland, Stephen Mercer, Patrick Metcalfe, Stephen Mills, Nigel Mordaunt, Penny Morris, Anne Marie Morris, David Morris, James Mosley, Stephen Murray, Sheryll, Sarah Nokes, Caroline Norman, Jesse Nuttall, Mr David Offord, Mr Matthe Paisley, Ian Parish, Neil ( PAWSEY, MARK RUGBY )
Percy, Andrew Phillips, Stephen Pritchard, Mark Raab, Mr Dominic Reckless, Mark Redwood, rh Mr John Rees-Mogg, Jacob Reevell, Simon Reid, Mr Alan Robertson, Mr Laurence Rosindell, Andrew Rudd, Amber Ruffley, Mr David Sandys, Laura Shannon, Jim Simpson, David Smith, Henry Spencer, Mr Mark Stevenson, John Stewart, Bob Stewart, Iain Sturdy, Julian Syms, Mr Robert
Tomlinson, Justin Truss, Elizabeth Turner, Mr AndrewTyrie, Mr Andrew Uppal, Paul Walker, Mr Robin Weatherley, Mike Wharton, James Wheeler, Heather (CHRIS WHITE WARWICK) Whittaker, Craig Whittingdale, Mr John Wollaston, Dr Sarah ( ZAHAWI NADHIM STRATFORD ON AVON)
Tellers for the Ayes:
Matthew Hancock and
Guto Bebb
NOES
Abrahams, Debbie
Ainsworth, rh Mr Bob
Alexander, Heidi
Ali, Rushanara
Anderson, Mr David
Ashworth, Jonathan
Austin, Ian
Bailey, Mr Adrian
Bain, Mr William
Bayley, Hugh
Beckett, rh Margaret
Begg, Dame Anne
Beith, rh Sir Alan
Benton, Mr Joe
Berger, Luciana
Betts, Mr Clive
Blackman-Woods, Roberta
Blenkinsop, Tom
Blomfield, Paul
Blunkett, rh Mr David
Brennan, Kevin
Brown, Lyn
Brown, rh Mr Nicholas
Brown, Mr Russell
Bruce, rh Malcolm
Bryant, Chris
Buck, Ms Karen
Burden, Richard
Campbell, Mr Alan
Campbell, Mr Ronnie
Caton, Martin
Chapman, Mrs Jenny
Clark, Katy
Clarke, rh Mr Tom
Clwyd, rh Ann
Coffey, Ann
Connarty, Michael
Cooper, Rosie
Corbyn, Jeremy
Crausby, Mr David
Creasy, Stella
Cryer, John
Cunningham, Alex
Cunningham, Mr Jim
Cunningham, Tony
Dakin, Nic
Danczuk, Simon
David, Mr Wayne
Davies, Geraint
De Piero, Gloria
Denham, rh Mr John
Dobbin, Jim
Docherty, Thomas
Donohoe, Mr Brian H.
Doran, Mr Frank
Doyle, Gemma
Dromey, Jack
Durkan, Mark
Edwards, Jonathan
Efford, Clive
Elliott, Julie
Ellman, Mrs Louise
Esterson, Bill
Evans, Chris
Farrelly, Paul
Fitzpatrick, Jim
Flello, Robert
Flynn, Paul
Fovargue, Yvonne
Francis, Dr Hywel
Gapes, Mike
Gardiner, Barry
George, Andrew
Glass, Pat
Glindon, Mrs Mary
Goggins, rh Paul
Goodman, Helen
Greatrex, Tom
Green, Kate
Greenwood, Lilian
Griffith, Nia
Gwynne, Andrew
Halfon, Robert
Hamilton, Mr David
Hamilton, Fabian
Hanson, rh Mr David
Harris, Mr Tom
Havard, Mr Dai
Healey, rh John
Hemming, John
Hendrick, Mark
Hepburn, Mr Stephen
Heyes, David
Hillier, Meg
Hilling, Julie
Hodge, rh Margaret
Hodgson, Mrs Sharon
Hood, Mr Jim
Hopkins, Kelvin
Horwood, Martin
Hosie, Stewart
Howarth, rh Mr George
Hunt, Tristram
Irranca-Davies, Huw
Jackson, Glenda
James, Mrs Siân C.
Jamieson, Cathy
Jarvis, Dan
Johnson, rh Alan
Jones, Graham
Jones, Helen
Jones, Susan Elan
Joyce, Eric
Kaufman, rh Sir Gerald
Keeley, Barbara
Lavery, Ian
Lazarowicz, Mark
Leech, Mr John
Leslie, Chris
Lloyd, Tony
Llwyd, rh Mr Elfyn
Long, Naomi
Love, Mr Andrew
Lucas, Caroline
MacNeil, Mr Angus Brendan
MacShane, rh Mr Denis
Mactaggart, Fiona
Mahmood, Shabana
Malhotra, Seema
Mann, John
Marsden, Mr Gordon
McCabe, Steve
McCarthy, Kerry
McClymont, Gregg
McDonnell, Dr Alasdair
McDonnell, John
McFadden, rh Mr Pat
McGovern, Jim
McKechin, Ann
McKenzie, Mr Iain
McKinnell, Catherine
Meacher, rh Mr Michael
Meale, Sir Alan
Mearns, Ian
Michael, rh Alun
Mitchell, Austin
Moon, Mrs Madeleine
Morden, Jessica
Morris, Grahame M.
(Easington)
Mudie, Mr George
Munn, Meg
Munt, Tessa
Murphy, rh Paul
Murray, Ian
Nandy, Lisa
O'Donnell, Fiona
Onwurah, Chi
Osborne, Sandra
Owen, Albert
Pearce, Teresa
Perkins, Toby
Pound, Stephen
Qureshi, Yasmin
Reed, Mr Jamie
Reynolds, Emma
Reynolds, Jonathan
Riordan, Mrs Linda
Robertson, John
Rogerson, Dan
Rotheram, Steve
Roy, Mr Frank
Roy, Lindsay
Ruane, Chris
Russell, Sir Bob
Sanders, Mr Adrian
Sarwar, Anas
Seabeck, Alison
Sharma, Mr Virendra
Sheerman, Mr Barry
Sheridan, Jim
Shuker, Gavin
Skinner, Mr Dennis
Slaughter, Mr Andy
Smith, rh Mr Andrew
Smith, Angela
Smith, Nick
Smith, Owen
Smith, Sir Robert
Spellar, rh Mr John
Stringer, Graham
Stuart, Ms Gisela
Sutcliffe, Mr Gerry
Tami, Mark
Thomas, Mr Gareth
Timms, rh Stephen
Twigg, Derek
Walley, Joan
Watson, Mr Tom
Watts, Mr Dave
Weir, Mr Mike
Whitehead, Dr Alan
Williams, Hywel
Williams, Mr Mark
Williamson, Chris
Willott, Jenny
Wilson, Phil
Winnick, Mr David
Wishart, Pete
Woodcock, John
Wright, David
Wright, Mr Iain
Tellers for the Noes:
Valerie Vaz and
Sheila Gilmore
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